Peak Trans: A Liberal’s Case For Reality: Part 6


Part 1: Trans Rights? Yes. Toxic In Your Face Activism? No / A Strange Kind of Liberalism / Detail Free Slogans / When Reality Wins / Stonewall

Part 2: The Problem with Self-ID / Women’s Rights Are Human Rights / Public Opinion

Part 3: Individuals with a Cervix (nee Women) / Biology 101 / Gender Identity

Part 4: Medical Negligence and the Betrayal of Children

Part 5: Are You Now or Have You Ever Been a Transphobe? / Lesbians and the New Homophobia / LGB Alliance / Kathleen Stock / J.K. Rowling / Dave Chappelle

Part 6: Peak Trans / Logical Inconsistencies in Gender Identity Ideology


PEAK TRANS

You can find all sorts of mad takes on all sorts of issues these days. The thing is, when it comes to the ‘trans debate’, some of this stuff is coming from those who really should know better. Here’s more than 30 examples – most of them are quite recent (really, this blog pretty much wrote itself).


Journalist Laurie Penny telling a mother that it would be rude for her daughter to stare if somebody with a penis undressed in front of her in a women’s changing room. This was in the context of the Wi Spa incident.


Trans academic and self-ID advocate Sophie Grace Chappell arguing on Radio Scotland that if men pretending to be trans in order to access women’s spaces caused an increase in murders, “it wouldn’t matter if there was a slight spike”.


Labour MP Dawn Butler telling Richard Madeley on Good Morning Britain that “a child is born without sex”. Her interpretation of the word ‘debate’ was almost as strange but largely overshadowed.


Ellie Mae O’Hagan of the CLASS think tank going one better on BBC Politics Live by pretending not to know where babies come from. She said “I actually don’t know why some people are women and why some people are men. No one on this panel does and anyone who claims to know the answer to that question is a liar”. Labour MP John McDonnell later praised her performance on social media.


The influential trans activist Katy Montgomerie in one of her many attempts at explaining why she thinks biological sex isn’t immutable.


Oxford University’s submission to Stonewall’s workplace equality index which included these highly scientific infographics. Who knew that elves kept their gonads in their knees?


SNP councillor Mhairi Hunter, daughter of the party’s former national organiser Allison Hunter, suggesting that the word ‘female’ is some kind of transphobic dog whistle.


The Lancet describing women as ‘bodies with vaginas’ on its front page, whilst days earlier consistently using the word men in an article about prostate cancer (The two sexes according to The Lancet: Men and Fuckholes, as some critics put it). They later issued an apology.


The ACLU literally changing the words of Ruth Gader Ginsberg, by removing all references to women in a quote about abortion. They also later apologised.


The American Booksellers Association issuing a bizarre public apology for including Abigail Shrier’s ‘Irreversible Damage’, an Economist and Times book of the year, in a monthly mailing to its members – going so far as to describe it as a ‘violent incident’.


Lawyer and self-identifying good guy Jo Maugham denying the existence of cancel culture and threatening to destroy the career of a journalist in the same breath – this was in response to a Nick Cohen article in The Observer (which touched upon the trans debate).


Teesside Live trolling the public with this headline. The story goes on to say “She is charged with committing a public nuisance by indecently exposing her penis to other members of the public, whilst masturbating from a property window.” Presumably, the journalist was following editorial guidelines.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/teesside-woman-accused-using-sex-22260053

Trans author Juno Dawson, telling Attitude Magazine that “A lot of gay men are gay men as a consolation prize because they couldn’t be women”.


Transgender University of Kent Chaplain, Joy Everingham saying at a trans pride event in 2019, “It’s quite challenging to LGB people, because if gender is on a spectrum then homosexuality doesn’t really exist because it can only exist in a binary… sexuality is redundant”


Mridul Wadhwa, the transgender chief executive of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre telling rape victims that in the service of trans inclusion they might need to “reframe their trauma” and they should expect any “unacceptable beliefs” to be challenged as part of their recovery.


Victim Support, an independent charity (though proud member of Stonewall’s Diversity Champion scheme) for people affected by crime in England and Wales, reversing victim and perpetrator with this insane tweet.


High street retailer Boots publishing a rather questionable claim about the lifesaving power of pronouns in its monthly magazine.


Journalist Owen Jones celebrating [to his one million Twitter followers] a gay man being robbed and pursued by a chanting mob at Manchester Pride for wearing a t-shirt, before having to be led away by police for his own safety. This is the same Owen Jones who has been beaten up for being gay and who seems to get mugged every other month, so you’d think he might know a little bit about how it feels to be targeted by strangers. This isn’t even close to the worst thing he’s done.


Deranged quack and prominent trans activist Dr Adrian Harrop not only giving an interview to a supportive Vice News at the start of his professional misconduct tribunal over allegations he cyber-bullied, doxxed and intimidated multiple people because of their gender critical views, but also providing them with the full tribunal documents, including confidential witness statements – which they did him no favours by somehow thinking it sensible to mention in the article.


The women’s officer (who doesn’t actually identify as one) for Cambridge University’s Students’ Union, producing a document that advises students on how to “keep an eye out” for women who believe in biological sex and how to avoid “falling prey” to their “talking points”. Dominic Raab will also be very pleased to know that he was right after all, as the document helpfully states that “some people who experience misogyny are not women”.

https://www.cambridgesu.co.uk/pageassets/resources/guides/spottingterfideology/SU-Womens-Campaign-How-to-Spot-TERF-Ideology.pdf

Labour MP Barry Gardiner comparing women who want to keep single-sex spaces, as provided for in UK law, to the race-classification boards of apartheid-era South Africa.


Trans woman and former broadcaster India Willoughby offering to come on Andrew Marr’s programme to show him the cervix that she doesn’t have. She was being serious.

And here she is with some flat out homophobia – but that’s okay apparently.


The Chair of LGBT Conservatives saying that she had received abuse and death threats (from trans activists) after the LGB Alliance were given a stall at Conservative Party conference – yet still seeming to think that the LGB Alliance are the problem.


Eleanor Neale, a YouTuber with nearly two million subscribers to her channel, pandering to people who are more concerned about pronouns than murder. Randy Stair (who called himself Andrew) killed three of his co-workers and then himself in 2017 in order to ‘cross over into an animated afterlife’. Apparently, he wore makeup occasionally.


LGBTQ Nation writing a story based on “Two incarcerated women listed as plaintiffs in WoLF’s lawsuit alleged that transgender or gender nonbinary inmates sexually assaulted them”, yet turning the women into the villains.


The Labour party taking disciplinary action against a member for saying that “only women experience the menopause”. After Guido Fawkes embarrassed them by running the story and pointing out that no less than seven Labour MPs made similar statements during the World Menopause Month Debate only a month prior, their party HQ decided to blame it on an ‘admin error’.


Essex Police commemorating the zero murders of trans people that have occurred in the UK for nearly three years. And when this fact was pointed out to them, then threatening to ‘investigate’ anybody that did so – because the statement that ‘more women have been killed by policemen in the past year than trans women have been killed by anybody’ is apparently ‘unkind, unpleasant and hurtful’.


The co-chair of the National LGBT Network for police officers giving this flippant response to government plans to ensure accurate crime statistics after a growing number of instances where sexual offences by men had been recorded as being committed by women (rape by definition can only be committed with a penis).


Mermaid’s CEO Susie Green retweeting a call to make access to puberty blockers as easy as access to the contraceptive pill – so on-demand and without parents being told for the under 16s because, obviously, they are exactly the same thing…


The U.S. and World Professional Association(s) for Transgender Health putting out a joint statement in October 2021 that seemingly demands they be exempt from journalistic scrutiny.


The organisers of a campaign to boycott nightclubs after a reported (though unverified) surge in women being spiked, deciding that the name ‘Girls Night In’ just wasn’t intersectional enough – effectively making the campaign utterly meaningless.


Kirsty Blackman MP pontificating on whether discrimination on the basis of sex even exists, solving the problem of gender balance on public boards, and going to bat for homophobia. Kirsty is an elected politician and at one time was the SNP’s Deputy leader in Westminster.


Senior Lib Dem councillor Rodney Berman making an analogy between the toilet in your own private home and public ones that anybody can use in order to justify removing single-sex spaces for women – on the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women no less. The ratio is strong here.

See blue-tick author and economist Professor Danny Blanchflower make the same point. The ratio is even stronger, but of course, everyone else must be the ones who are wrong…


It’s hard to know where to even start with the Green Party…

But we’ll go with this – here’s Green Party Women’s co-chair Kathryn Bristow’s cunning plan to evade scrutiny by simply removing the ability for anybody to post comments on an internal party forum.

Emma Bateman, the other Green Party Women chair had been suspended for this (she has since had her membership restored):


And this by Veronica Ivy (who went by Rachel Mckinnon as a competitive cyclist) speaks for itself.


This is absolutely batshit stuff – at best.

At worst, some of it is deeply disturbing and in some cases extremely nasty.

Those so-called ‘transphobes’ – this is what they can see. This is what I can see. If this is the ‘right side of history’, I’d like to know on what planet? And what colour the sky is there?

Honestly, there’s a constant stream of this sort of stuff and it’s just maddening to witness the level of dissonance employed by otherwise rational people pretending they can’t see it.

How is an approach to ‘rights’ and ‘inclusivity’ so detached from reality and so devoid of even a basic moral compass of genuine long-term benefit to anybody?


LOGICAL CONTRADICTIONS IN GENDER IDENTITY IDEOLOGY

  • How can it be the case that everybody supports trans rights apart from a minority of bigots, but trans people are also the most marginalised group in society because nobody accepts them?
  • How can there be anti-trans hate everywhere, but the massive surge in teenagers identifying as trans is due to increased societal acceptance?
  • How can gender be a social construct but also an innate and immutable thing known only to the person themselves?
  • How can gender be both an innate and immutable thing but also potentially fluid and subject to change?
  • If sex and gender aren’t the same, how can referring to somebody’s biological sex be misgendering them?
  • If sex and gender are the same and trans women/men are no different to biological women/men, then what’s the trans part for?
  • If everyone can self-identity and it’s wrong to refer to anybody as something they don’t want to be called, why can’t the word ‘cis’ be rejected by those who simply describe themselves as a man or woman?
  • If trans women are women and trans men are men, why the need for ‘cis’ anyway – isn’t that acknowledging that there is in fact a difference?
  • If women talking about their rights infringes on trans rights, doesn’t it follow that trans rights must also infringe on women’s rights?
  • Why are trans women’s fears of male violence in bathrooms justified, but women’s fears of male violence in bathrooms are mocked and derided as bigoted?
  • If it is impossible to tell someone’s sex without asking, why would trans women be at risk in male toilets?
  • If ‘transphobes’ are trying to remove rights that trans people have always had, why the need for Self-ID?
  • If Self-ID means somebody does not need to have gender dysphoria to legally change sex, then what harm is being done to trans people by not letting them self-ID?
  • How does threatening to punch or orally rape ‘TERFs’ demonstrate that trans women are no threat to women?
  • Why must everyone who says they are trans be believed, unless they’re somebody like Karen White (who sexually assaulted inmates after being moved to a women’s prison) who must have been faking it?
  • If feminists are the ones obsessed with genitals, why are trans activists the ones insisting they be reduced to their anatomy or bodily functions – ‘bodies with vaginas’, ‘vulva owners’, ‘menstruators’, ‘individuals with a cervix’?
  • How can having female biology, including the ability to give birth, not make a person a woman, but research into uterus transplants is needed as trans women being able to give birth would enhance their feeling of womanhood?
  • If somebody can be transgender because they feel like a different gender, why can’t somebody be transracial because they feel like a different race?
  • How can everyone who says they are trans be trans, but detransitioners weren’t really trans to begin with?
  • If detransitioners don’t matter because they are only a tiny minority, why should trans people matter?
  • How can lesbians be bigots for not wanting to be pressured by trans people with penises into sexual activity but also liars because it isn’t happening?
  • How can non-binary people be transgender if they don’t believe in gender?
  • If agender means someone who doesn’t have a gender identity, doesn’t that include gender critical people and mean they can be trans too?
  • If pansexual is not the same as bisexual because it means attracted to all gender identities including trans people, doesn’t that imply that trans women are not women and trans men are not men?
  • If all it takes to be a woman is to simply say you feel like one, why are hormones and surgery necessary at all?
  • Why are breasts considered feminine but not vaginas?
  • If the word female triggers dysphoria in trans men by reminding them that they are biologically female, why wouldn’t pregnancy do the same?
  • Why are hormones and surgery ever necessary for non-binary people if: (a) these identities are about how somebody feels inside and have nothing to do with the physical body (b) we have no way of knowing what a non-binary body is supposed to look like?
  • How can puberty be an irreversible process, yet at the same time trans women should be allowed to compete in women’s sport after just 12 months of hormone therapy on the grounds that it fully reverses the advantages of male puberty?
  • If gender dysphoria is not any sort of medical condition, why is any medical intervention required at all?
  • How can gender dysphoria not be any kind of mental health condition, but if those who have it don’t get treatment they’ll kill themselves?

Part 1: Trans Rights? Yes. Toxic In Your Face Activism? No / A Strange Kind of Liberalism / Detail Free Slogans / When Reality Wins / Stonewall

Part 2: The Problem with Self-ID / Women’s Rights Are Human Rights / Public Opinion

Part 3: Individuals with a Cervix (nee Women) / Biology 101 / Gender Identity

Part 4: Medical Negligence and the Betrayal of Children

Part 5: Are You Now or Have You Ever Been a Transphobe? / Lesbians and the New Homophobia / LGB Alliance / Kathleen Stock / J.K. Rowling / Dave Chappelle

Part 6: Peak Trans / Logical Inconsistencies in Gender Identity Ideology

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    Seems like the following is to be largely a waste of time, given the position clearly held through all this, but…

    – How can it be the case that everybody supports trans rights apart from a minority of bigots, but trans people are also the most marginalised group in society because nobody accepts them?
    – – Because everybody doesn’t support trans rights? The minority are the loud bigots who make their transphobia their apparent occupation. More people are casually transphobic. Thus trans people are the among the most marginalized for reasons such as the opinions expressed throughout “Democracy Coma.”

    – How can there be anti-trans hate everywhere, but the massive surge in teenagers identifying as trans is due to increased societal acceptance?
    – – Because a big surge of teenagers identifying is still a tiny amount of them compared to those that are cis. This question seems to express ignorance at comparative analysis. Further more teens coming out as trans is more to due with awareness and less to do with societal acceptance.

    – How can gender be a social construct but also an innate and immutable thing known only to the person themselves?
    – – This is one of the few actual logical inconsistencies on this list. Not a position I can understand or support. Gender expression and gender roles are social constructs, yes, perhaps with few biologicals underpinnings, but gender identity is socially constructed. Which points out another weakness in the positions held in this ‘case study.’ Treating the trans community as a single homogeneous blob all sharing the same view. It’s not. So holding all trans people and the idea of being trans responsible for any and all views expressed by different individuals is mistaken.

    – How can gender be both an innate and immutable thing but also potentially fluid and subject to change?
    – – I think the idea is that the gender fluidity of genderfluid individuals is immutable. They’ll always be gender fluid. But like self awareness of complex topics, some can shift on understanding themselves better.

    – If sex and gender aren’t the same, how can referring to somebody’s biological sex be misgendering them?
    – – I don’t believe gender and sex are exclusive, so in that way, referring to someone’s biological sex is misgendering them and that someone’s gender identity *is* part of their biological sex. This would mildly fit under another actual logical inconsistency. Furthermore, someone’s biological sex is hardly reference without taking a position on who that person is as well.

    – If sex and gender are the same and trans women/men are no different to biological women/men, then what’s the trans part for?
    – – Only when relevant. Trans women and trans men would love to be called just women and just men with no mentioned as to them being trans nor is there any ideological preventing trans men and trans women from being called just man or woman. In addition, trans men and trans women are biological men and women.

    – – If everyone can self-identity and it’s wrong to refer to anybody as something they don’t want to be called, why can’t the word ‘cis’ be rejected by those who simply describe themselves as a man or woman?
    – So trans people can reject the term trans and simply refer to themselves as a man or woman or even refer to themselves as cis? This question hardly makes sense, when the latter and former portion have nothing to really do with each other. “Cis” or “trans” is not an identity in itself but merely a descriptor. If a cis man or woman identifies as such, they’re already self identifying. “Cis” is a word of reference for others to use as a descriptor when relevant.

    – – If trans women are women and trans men are men, why the need for ‘cis’ anyway – isn’t that acknowledging that there is in fact a difference?
    – Again, when relevant. No, it’s not acknowledging there is a difference except for when it’s relevant to take note of one. Otherwise, of course there is a difference. The same as there’s a difference between infertile women and fertile women. Women who have some body parts and other women who have others. But there is no need to create wholly different categories for each and every difference. That’s why “trans women are women, and trans men are men.” Because they are just women and men. That’s a phrase that gets exhaustingly used for those who would claim otherwise.

    – – If women talking about their rights infringes on trans rights, doesn’t it follow that trans rights must also infringe on women’s rights?
    – No, it doesn’t. For one, because women (which includes any woman) talking about their rights doesn’t have anything to do with trans rights. And there is no issue there. Then you have transphobes falsely claiming to talk about women’s rights in specific reference to trans women or men in a way when infringes on trans rights. “Doesn’t it follow” just sounds like ‘baby’s first logic quandary.’ Black women talking about specific issues doesn’t impacts or automatically run contrary to white women. Such works the hierarchy of intersectional issues.

    – Why are trans women’s fears of male violence in bathrooms justified, but women’s fears of male violence in bathrooms are mocked and derided as bigoted?
    – – Trans women’s fear of violence from cis men. Transphobic women are falsely portraying fears of trans women and equating them as similar to cis men. Which is literal transphobia. Thus bigoted. The two aren’t the same and this question posed as though they are the same reveals exactly the nature of the views of the author.

    – If it is impossible to tell someone’s sex without asking, why would trans women be at risk in male toilets?
    – – I’m not sure how to answer this question, it just doesn’t make sense.

    – If ‘transphobes’ are trying to remove rights that trans people have always had, why the need for Self-ID?
    – – On the one hand, where has anyone claimed that transphobes (again with the dog-whistle in the form of scare quotes) are trying to remove rights trans people have always had. On the other, transphobes are interested in restricting laws and rules further from where they currently stand. And where they stand isn’t progressed enough, thus the need for self-id.

    – If Self-ID means somebody does not need to have gender dysphoria to legally change sex, then what harm is being done to trans people by not letting them self-ID?
    – – This question kind of demonstrates that you haven’t done much research except for the hateful things you wish to express, as it’s been answered by many people and easily found. Alas… the harm done to trans people is requiring their identification to have to be subject to scrutiny of doctors and others, which is largely dehumanizing for many going through it. Along with that, wait times, wait lists, unclear positions of medical professionals, and dealing with bureaucracy for someone’s basic identification.

    -How does threatening to punch or orally rape ‘TERFs’ demonstrate that trans women are no threat to women?
    – – It doesn’t. How does an example of a deplorable person’s expression make commentary on all others? So one man who is a rapist means all men are. One mother who is abusive means all mothers are. One black robber means all black people are. One white racist means all white people are. Etc., etc. Another logical fallacy, which doesn’tsay much about one calling out “logical inconsistencies,” especially when many items have nothing to do with ideology.

    – Why must everyone who says they are trans be believed, unless they’re somebody like Karen White (who sexually assaulted inmates after being moved to a women’s prison) who must have been faking it?
    – – This is another position that would be found to be held separately by different individuals, on both accounts. Some trans would say not all people claiming to be trans are so and likewise other will say someone like Karen White is still a woman and her actions don’t render her ineligible to decide her gender. I can see arguments for both.

    – If feminists are the ones obsessed with genitals, why are trans activists the ones insisting they be reduced to their anatomy or bodily functions – ‘bodies with vaginas’, ‘vulva owners’, ‘menstruators’, ‘individuals with a cervix’?
    – – Another one of the few actual logical inconsistencies here and another position that is held differently by different trans people. Many trans men certainly would not want to be referred to in those ways. I imagine the argument is removing the implicit suggestions of vaginas, cervixes and such and woman. This another example of ‘baby’s first logical quandary’ where mistaken associations are made. Feminists are also not the ones obsessed with genitals, terfs are. There’s a difference.

    – How can having female biology, including the ability to give birth, not make a person a woman, but research into uterus transplants is needed as trans women being able to give birth would enhance their feeling of womanhood?
    – – Uterus transplants aren’t needed to enhance the feeling of a trans women’s womanhood, they’re for trans women who wish to give birth to children in a way that fits their identity without causing dysphoria. Another logical fallacy here. “Female biology” isn’t required for womanhood nor does the presence of such make someone a woman and prevent them from not being a woman, ie trans men and nonbinary people.

    – If somebody can be transgender because they feel like a different gender, why can’t somebody be transracial because they feel like a different race?
    – – Because there’s no such thing as race? And race isn’t present in a way other than a cultural context? There are no differences identified in brains of people of different ethnicities. It’s somewhat a mistake to suggest that trans people ‘feel’ they are a different gender rather then they sense it. This question, like numerous others, also has nothing to do with ‘ideology.’

    – How can everyone who says they are trans be trans, but detransitioners weren’t really trans to begin with?
    – – Because if you read their stories, they clearly show how they were never trans. And once again, the belief that everyone who says they are trans are in fact trans a position held differently by different trans people. I would say anyone who claims such isn’t definitely trans but there is a lot of difficultly in establishing criteria.

    – If detransitioners don’t matter because they are only a tiny minority, why should trans people matter?
    – – Detransitioners do matter. Who said otherwise?

    – How can lesbians be bigots for not wanting to be pressured by trans people with penises into sexual activity but also liars because it isn’t happening?
    – – Because the two have nothing to do with each other? Transphobic lesbian cis women are bigots for suggesting trans women aren’t ever to be options for partners because they’re ‘men.’ No one would be in any agreement one person pressuring another person for sexual activity. Which is why they might be liars because it’s not happening? The first part of the statement in the question has no implicit tie to the second.

    – How can non-binary people be transgender if they don’t believe in gender?
    – – Once again the mistake is being made of attributing a view held by some individuals as held by all of them. Non-binary people do believe gender exists. As well as that, there are nonbinary people who are trans and nonbi ary people who aren’t trans. I don’t quite get it either.

    – If agender means someone who doesn’t have a gender identity, doesn’t that include gender critical people and mean they can be trans too?
    – – No, that doesn’t include gender critical people. Or are gender critical people not women or men anymore. And if the response would be that they are male or female, how does one identify as body parts?

    -If pansexual is not the same as bisexual because it means attracted to all gender identities including trans people, doesn’t that imply that trans women are not women and trans men are not men?
    – – No, it doesn’t imply that. This question, like quite a few others, lacks actual logic. Bisexuality already includes trans people, lest the prospective bi person is transphobic. Pansexuality would be to specifically include other genders such as agender, nonbinary, genderfluid, genderqueer, and others, which bisexulaity does not implicitly include because of the “bi” nature of it. Though like so much else, differing views from differing people, where some will say identifying as bisexual does include all those others anyway. Pansexuality or bisexuality is not a comment on whether a potential partner is trans or not.

    -If all it takes to be a woman is to simply say you feel like one, why are hormones and surgery necessary at all?
    – – Because not all trans women feel that way. Again, this is generalizing some individual’s views to all of them. Along with that, gender dysphoria. Trans women are women even without hormones and surgeries because that’s how their brains are, but the medical intervention is there to address the dysphoria.

    – Why are breasts considered feminine but not vaginas?
    – – They both are? Again, different views from different people. Trying to assume what you might mean, vaginas don’t prohibit a trans man from being a trans man/trans male.

    – If the word female triggers dysphoria in trans men by reminding them that they are biologically female, why wouldn’t pregnancy do the same?
    – – It does. It does to many, many trans men. Trying to include trans men in discussion of pregnancy is spearheaded by nonbinary individuals and the few trans men who aren’t made dysphoric by it.

    – Why are hormones and surgery ever necessary for non-binary people if: (a) these identities are about how somebody feels inside and have nothing to do with the physical body (b) we have no way of knowing what a non-binary body is supposed to look like?
    – – Because how someone feels inside has to do with how they appear outside too? To me tion it again, there are nonbinary people who are trans and nonbinary people who are not. I don’t quite get it either. But just like trans men and trans women, certain nonbinary people have a sense of how their bodies are supposed to be and seek hormones and or surgery to bring them relief and satisfaction.

    – How can puberty be an irreversible process, yet at the same time trans women should be allowed to compete in women’s sport after just 12 months of hormone therapy on the grounds that it fully reverses the advantages of male puberty?
    – – These two don’t quite have anything to do with each other. Puberty is irreversible but not all aspects caused by puberty are cemented, which change with hormone replacement therapy (HRT). The claim or unclear positions is that the elements of a testosterone driven puberty (not actually ‘male’) that would provide advantages in sporting events are that they are eliminated by a different hormonal profile. My own views on the sports subject are a little lengthy to capture in a comments section that is already very verbose. Puberty is a multi-faceted process and different facets are changed with HRT.

    – If gender dysphoria is not any sort of medical condition, why is any medical intervention required at all?
    – – Being transgender isn’t a medical condition in and of itself, the gender dysphoria is. Again, the dysphoria itself. Which requires medical intervention to alleviate. Another question that doesn’t actually touch on any inconsistency or ‘ideology.’

    – How can gender dysphoria not be any kind of mental health condition, but if those who have it don’t get treatment they’ll kill themselves?
    – – Not all those who get treatment kill themselves for one, but the dysphoria causes by gender dysphoria is dire enough to drive people to kill themselves to escape it. The word dysphoria itself is defined as “[noun] a state of feeling very unhappy, uneasy, or dissatisfied.” Living with that 24/7 does not make for a life that is desirable to live. Thus why treatment is necessary. Gender dysphoria is a symptom of incongruence/clash between someone’s sense of self and gender/sex attributes of their physical body. Which is why intervention before an incorrect puberty is much preferred.

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